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	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Old male geek</title>
		<link>http://membracid.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/academia-is-a-cult/#comment-17526</link>
		<dc:creator>Old male geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, as far as I understand it.  Personally I am not an academic nor will I ever be.  I am a humble BS in Mechanical Engineering from the sliderule era.  But, my son is a PhD in Political Science and an Assistant Professor.  Doctor Mike, as I like to call him, only reads books written by other professors thereby insulating himself from the world of raw experience.  He is definitely going to get a copy of this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, as far as I understand it.  Personally I am not an academic nor will I ever be.  I am a humble BS in Mechanical Engineering from the sliderule era.  But, my son is a PhD in Political Science and an Assistant Professor.  Doctor Mike, as I like to call him, only reads books written by other professors thereby insulating himself from the world of raw experience.  He is definitely going to get a copy of this!</p>
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		<title>By: Too many topics, too little time. &#187; Academia is a Cult « Bug Girl’s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Too many topics, too little time. &#187; Academia is a Cult « Bug Girl’s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://membracid.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/academia-is-a-cult/#comment-17294</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true,  and when things go wrong (experiments not working, creepy staff members, past the funding limit, psychological anxiety), the cult mindset is so apparent.  I did the suck up option (ms phd blog), took a year off to get less anxious (unfortunately it came with a financial penalty), but did finish my PHD.  But because of this, i don't want to do a post-doc, and would rather move into industry or another field altogether.  However, lots of jobs out there need a post-doc, so what to do? I'm still de-brain washing myself and re-integrating with the outside world.  You realize after you graduate that you spent n years, 10-16 h/day hanging out with other chemists/biochemists/molecular biologists/etc that your immediate circle of friends is limited in scope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true,  and when things go wrong (experiments not working, creepy staff members, past the funding limit, psychological anxiety), the cult mindset is so apparent.  I did the suck up option (ms phd blog), took a year off to get less anxious (unfortunately it came with a financial penalty), but did finish my PHD.  But because of this, i don&#8217;t want to do a post-doc, and would rather move into industry or another field altogether.  However, lots of jobs out there need a post-doc, so what to do? I&#8217;m still de-brain washing myself and re-integrating with the outside world.  You realize after you graduate that you spent n years, 10-16 h/day hanging out with other chemists/biochemists/molecular biologists/etc that your immediate circle of friends is limited in scope.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Hull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Hull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post. And congratulations on making the &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2008/01/open_lab_2007_the_winning_entr.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;Open Lab 2007 winning nominations&lt;/a&gt; (which is where I found your post). I think the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web" rel="nofollow"&gt;semantic web&lt;/a&gt; is sometimes like a religious cult too, and the only way to find out for sure is to &lt;a href="http://www.nodalpoint.org/2007/11/30/burn_semantic_web_burn" rel="nofollow"&gt;Burn it down to the Ground&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post. And congratulations on making the <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2008/01/open_lab_2007_the_winning_entr.php" rel="nofollow">Open Lab 2007 winning nominations</a> (which is where I found your post). I think the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web" rel="nofollow">semantic web</a> is sometimes like a religious cult too, and the only way to find out for sure is to <a href="http://www.nodalpoint.org/2007/11/30/burn_semantic_web_burn" rel="nofollow">Burn it down to the Ground</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: Bug Girl</title>
		<link>http://membracid.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/academia-is-a-cult/#comment-3264</link>
		<dc:creator>Bug Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, you're right! How could I have missed the silly hats! 
And yes, having moved from academia to industry to back again, I feel the same way.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, you&#8217;re right! How could I have missed the silly hats!<br />
And yes, having moved from academia to industry to back again, I feel the same way.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Annonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done and spot on. The only thing you missed were the silly hats and flowing robes that are adorned by members of the academy on ceremonial occasions, including the induction of new members into the academy. 

I've worked in both camps (private sector -&#62; academia) and what I witness on a daily basis in an academic institution is usually grounds for dismissal and either civil or criminal charges elsewhere. The level of corruption and deceit displayed by academics never ceases to amaze me. I would never encourage a student to pursue an academic career. In fact, I am notorious for turning my students to the “dark side” where they have the opportunity to do good and useful work and to create real products and services that improve and save the lives of others.  

If the work of academics had to undergo the same scrutiny that the ideas of a any business does when raising money in commercial markets (loans, not grants), the vast majority would be out of work because the few of them can answer the simple questions as to who buys their product (other than the taxpayer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done and spot on. The only thing you missed were the silly hats and flowing robes that are adorned by members of the academy on ceremonial occasions, including the induction of new members into the academy. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked in both camps (private sector -&gt; academia) and what I witness on a daily basis in an academic institution is usually grounds for dismissal and either civil or criminal charges elsewhere. The level of corruption and deceit displayed by academics never ceases to amaze me. I would never encourage a student to pursue an academic career. In fact, I am notorious for turning my students to the “dark side” where they have the opportunity to do good and useful work and to create real products and services that improve and save the lives of others.  </p>
<p>If the work of academics had to undergo the same scrutiny that the ideas of a any business does when raising money in commercial markets (loans, not grants), the vast majority would be out of work because the few of them can answer the simple questions as to who buys their product (other than the taxpayer).</p>
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		<title>By: DrJ</title>
		<link>http://membracid.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/academia-is-a-cult/#comment-3143</link>
		<dc:creator>DrJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me a few years, but after my second postdoc I could recognise these aspects of academia. I wish a few of the blind-to-any-other-kind-of-life scientists could learn to see it as well as it may help them get somewhere in life (even if it isn´t the professorship they always thought they deserved).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me a few years, but after my second postdoc I could recognise these aspects of academia. I wish a few of the blind-to-any-other-kind-of-life scientists could learn to see it as well as it may help them get somewhere in life (even if it isn´t the professorship they always thought they deserved).</p>
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		<title>By: mrswhatsit</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrswhatsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 23:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've made this same comparison myself, much to the amusement of my peers. :)  Though usually I don't go any further than, "The only other kind of group that requires this much dedication is a cult...."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve made this same comparison myself, much to the amusement of my peers. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Though usually I don&#8217;t go any further than, &#8220;The only other kind of group that requires this much dedication is a cult&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Blader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cult or merely an echo of it hierarchical origins?

Anyway, I like to think of it as a hypermutile closed Darwinian system.

Ciao Baby!!
Luv, Blader
aka, your 5th reader</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cult or merely an echo of it hierarchical origins?</p>
<p>Anyway, I like to think of it as a hypermutile closed Darwinian system.</p>
<p>Ciao Baby!!<br />
Luv, Blader<br />
aka, your 5th reader</p>
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		<title>By: Bug Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bug Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I think simply framing (sorry!) the experience this way helps.  The students that I work with have an epiphany moment when they realize that it's a completely f**ked up  world view to sees a  position in R&#38;D at a leading biotech company as "failure" and/or "selling out."

Or that choosing to teach at a community college because you like serving low income/struggling students means that you weren't "good enough" to work at a "real" university.

It's crazy. But a lot about academia is crazy, and I don't see that changing anytime soon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I think simply framing (sorry!) the experience this way helps.  The students that I work with have an epiphany moment when they realize that it&#8217;s a completely f**ked up  world view to sees a  position in R&amp;D at a leading biotech company as &#8220;failure&#8221; and/or &#8220;selling out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or that choosing to teach at a community college because you like serving low income/struggling students means that you weren&#8217;t &#8220;good enough&#8221; to work at a &#8220;real&#8221; university.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s crazy. But a lot about academia is crazy, and I don&#8217;t see that changing anytime soon</p>
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